You seem to be in tune beyond a lot of the other members. So, if you are so inclined to help me out since most of my friends/family are not knowledgeable in this area, can you tell me: What do you think would be a reasonable offer for me to make on a 2012 TL s SH-AWD with Advance Package? I made an offer of exact msrp over summer but with about 2500 in accessories installed by dealer (only real work would have been to install the remote start stuff) and the dealer pretended to go along with it, I wrote out check, and then the sales guy called back and wanted me to pay transfer fee and somewhere between dealer cost and retail for the accessories, so I decided to not get ripped off after I felt a deal had been made... Interestingly the same two cars they could have traded for to sell to me were still listed as for sale for I think 1 month later, possibly longer. So, when another one surfaces within my driving range I want to make offer to another dealer. Alternately I would consider an MDX and keep my Acura non-suv I currently love and drive. Would also want the Advance Package features and it appears the second row of seats in heated with the entertainment package, so again I am interested in the most pricey one! Any thoughts on offers I should make to a dealer for one of those?